Acidburn_CN: комментарии

Maybe we have some different understandings of the “pushing foot” and “take-off foot”.
In my opion, in toe-assistant jumps, the assistant foot is definitely a pushing foot, but it is definitely not the take-off foot.

Just got it wrong about the "Front left" and "Front right", Lutz should be at Back left, Flip should be at Back right.

The comments posted here were intent to remind you, when you judge a toe-prick jump was executed correctly or not, you should not only focus on the edge of the supporting leg, you also had to determine whether the take-off is made from the supporting foot.
Use a SCREENSHOT to show the toe-pricking point, it determines what curve the edge could cut on the ice surface. For example, for Lutz, toe-pricking point should be located in front left of the entry curve, for Flip, it should be located in front right of the entry curve.
Use a GIF to capture the first take-off stage, i.e., from toe-pricking to the edge of the supporting foot leave the ice, during this period, the edge should continue to apply certain force on the ice surface and cut a certain curve, and the back part of the edge should come off the ice surface first.
PS, Flip used to be called “Toe Salchow”.

According to the rules, a non-listed jumps means that, no matter how many times the jump is executed and no matter how many turns the jump has, because it has no official name, it shall not appear in the protocol. For example, if someone did a 3“Lutz”, a 3“Flip” + 3T and a 2A in SP, the jump elements listed in the protocol should be 3T, 2A (yes, two jump elements).
However, as we found out in the protocols, for such "Lutz", someone received a Lutz(e), someone received a Lutz(!), and someone received a Lutz with huge GOE. But all these were about the implement of rules, i.e., the decisions of the Technique Panel, they had nothing to do with the rules themselves.

Of course it is a google transated term from Russian. What I mean is that, if these jumps are judged honestly, their value would be 0, but just look into the protocol, how much have it received?

China. Read your forum for a quite long time, watching you still do not figure out the essence of flutzberge, just want to offer you an different view, "wrong take-off foot".

Strange, try to repost again.
"But we have to understand the Technique Panel could give the following decisions (nuclear mushrooms).
Cheated take-off (clear forward take-off) -- the take-off foot is same as the toe-pricking foot, such jump shows a clear forward take-off.
Taking off from wrong edge -- there is a wrong take-off foot, thus the take-off edge is wrong.
Take-off edge is not clear -- the take-off edge is not clear, even it belongs to the wrong take-off foot."

I do not know Russian, I read you by google tanslation, and English is not my first languate.

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!, take-off edge is not clear -- the take-off edge is not clear, even it belongs to the wrong take-off foot.