Morb: комментарии

>Змееныш Харден только этого и ждал.
Хе-хе-хе-хе.)

Всё правильно сделал, ошибкой было переходить к Яо, лучше бы реально Ховарда дождался.

Стата против Финикса - воу.

МакАду недооценен, редко его вспоминают в разных топах, в ’75 отдоминировал по полной.

Опять сказки рассказывают про Липтона и Иверсона, хоть бы стату посмотрели.

Рипульки летят.

Автор слился, кароч) Вилт ГОАТ в подборах.)
Thanks for the detailed response. I admit I am unfamiliar with the “Team Rebound” issue. If you’d like to write it up with some more detail and references, I might consider looking into it for a future “Case Against the Case For Dennis Rodman” post. [Added to clarify: I mean if you want to write something up and email it to me, I might be inclined to publish it alongside any response I might have (if it checks out). If you decide to email me, just comment here to let me know when you do, otherwise it’s likely to get filtered.]

I could find more, but you get the point. Much (but not all) of this was removed in the playoffs. How does Rodman stack up now?
Wilt playoffs:
1959-60 16.8
1960-61 14.9
1961-62 17.7
1963-64 18.1
1964-65 19.0
1965-66 21.7
1966-67 19.4
1967-68 18.1
1968-69 18.1
1969-70 17.2
1970-71 16.2
1971-72 17.1
1972-73 18.8
AVG: 17.97
PER36: 13.71
Rodman playoffs:
1986-87 4.6
1987-88 5.8
1988-89 9.6
1989-90 8.4
1990-91 12.0
1991-92 10.4
1993-94 15.8
1994-95 15.2
1995-96 14.4
1996-97 8.6
1997-98 12.4
AVG: 10.06
PER36: 12.80
WOW! Wilt Per36 minutes was actually a better rebounder than Dennis Rodman for his playoffs career! Rodman still might be a better rebounder some years than Wilt and still this isn’t quite as accurate as REB% but its still puts EVERYTHING in perspective. Especially since Wilt eclipses Rodman in nearly every facet of the game itself. Wilt even played 4 playoffs (where many of his games were played) after a career threatening injury.

1963 Warriors Rebounds (with team rebounds): 5359
1963 Warriors Rebounds (without team rebounds): 4670
Wow that is a big difference! Remember, during Rodman’s time (he played after 1967-68) the league didn’t count these team rebounds into their averages. I actually found data for EVERY YEAR (both regular season and playoffs) Wilt and Rodman played in the team rebounds category and put them all to the base year of 1996 (thus comparing them on equal footing) and this is how it pans out.
Wilt Regular season:
1959-60 17.4
1960-61 17.4
1961-62 17.2
1962-63 17.5
1963-64 15.8
1964-65 16.0
1965-66 16.9
1966-67 16.8
1967-68 17.0
1968-69 15.3
1969-70 14.4
1970-71 14.2
1971-72 15.5
1972-73 15.2
AVG: 16.29
PER36: 12.81
Rodman Regular Season:
1986-87 4.0
1987-88 8.3
1988-89 8.8
1989-90 9.3
1990-91 11.9
1991-92 17.7
1992-93 17.5
1993-94 16.6
1994-95 16.7
1995-96 14.9
1996-97 16.2
1997-98 14.9
1998-99 11.1
1999-00 13.8
AVG: 12.71
PER36: 14.43
Rodman is still clearly ahead, of course there are reasons for that. Blatant stat-padding such as ripping rebounds out of teammates hands, not boxing out his man and going to the side he felt the ball would go to, missing layups and tip ins on purpose, aborting the offense, not coming on help defense and grabbing every end of quarter heave and free throw miss that he could. I’m not saying its never been done before, but it gives a good idea why he is such an outlier in the regular season and why he is only second in REB% in the playoffs.

Интересно, спасибо. Но в формулах учитываются и Tm ORB и Tm DRB, то есть это не "командные подборы", а сумма реальных подборов, сделанных игроками в нападении и защите? Ведь в боксскоре командные подборы не делятся на в нападении и в защите.
То есть на баскетбалл-референс в показателях %TRB не учитываются командные, а берутся только реальные с 1971 года?
Именно поэтому на баскетрефе для старых сезонов %TRB не указывается, но %TRB Вилта тот автор рассчитывал с учётом командных подборов? Хех.
Remember, during Rodman’s time (he played after 1967-68) the league didn’t count these team rebounds into their averages.